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[QUOTE=RussZS;3184257]I’ve just been lucky enough to spend three days down at KDS Keltec with Kelly and his team, learning how to wet sand with the main aim of removing orange peel. Uniquely, this training was concluded on my very own car – a Golf GTI Edition 30 – with the aim of removing as much of the orange peel in my clearcoat as possible.
This thread shares my thoughts and experiences on the time spent with Kelly, and gives an overview from the perspective of a trainee on KDS’s course.
I ** also very fortunate to be the first - I have Certificate 0001!!
Day One :
It’s not very often I get out of bed at 5am, but I needed to be at KDS for 9am for my wet sanding training, so like an excited child on Christmas morning, I was up bright and early and set on my way. I’d forgotten just how bad the M1 and M25 were and unfortunately arrived 15 minutes late!
Upon arrival at KDS’s unit in Gillingham, Kent:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7023/6525238499_c88c4de57a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525238499/)
DSC01420 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525238499/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7162/6525239739_086620f5df_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525239739/)
DSC01421 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525239739/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
With introductions out of the way (Kelly has a team of 4 including himself), Kelly began to prepare a bonnet which would be the test panel for the first days worth of tuition:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6525238977_800be72799_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525238977/)
DSC01422 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525238977/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
The aim of the first day was to cover the following areas:
- Use of a Laser Pointer to create a fixed point to assess clearcoat removal rates
- How to use a PDG effectively, including how to calibrate one correctly
- The differences between using a DA Sander, working by bare hand and using a block
- Risks around scorelines, pigtailing and dirt/grit
- Using compounds and polishes to remove sanding marks and restoring the gloss to the paint
The test panel itself was absolutely ideal – covered in dents, RDS’s and crucially orange peel:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6525243021_41d865e03f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525243021/)
DSC01430 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525243021/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6525243621_7c6c6dff51_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525243621/)
DSC01428 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525243621/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7159/6525245617_41ac27664d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525245617/)
DSC01432 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525245617/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
It’s almost as bad as a new BMW!!:lol:
Here are some pics of the tools we used during the first day:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6525248417_313384e371_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525248417/)
DSC01435 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525248417/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6525249019_6dae7148cd_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525249019/)
DSC01436 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525249019/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
So we have:
- PosiTector 6000
- Mirka DA Sanders and Abralon Discs
- 3M 1200, 1500 and 2000 grade sand paper
- Meguiars 2500, 3000 and 4000 grade sand paper
- Sanding Blocks
We set up the laser pointer on a tripod, secured by clay, to create a fixed point to allow us to as accurately as possible assess the removal rate of whatever we were doing.
Next Kelly showed me how to correctly calibrate the PosiTector 6000:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/6525257017_97f1a3e753_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525257017/)
DSC01448 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525257017/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
A bare metal block was used to create a reference point:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/6525261407_73fe7f0e03_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525261407/)
DSC01453 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525261407/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/6525262133_a4ee5849bf_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525262133/)
DSC01454 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525262133/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6525262997_e78162d4f0_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525262997/)
DSC01455 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525262997/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6525268277_3ddc414555_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525268277/)
DSC01463 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525268277/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Next we tested with a shim:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6525270751_af2f1111d5_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525270751/)
DSC01467 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525270751/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6525275295_9c9f73b832_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525275295/)
DSC01468 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525275295/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
That’s pretty close…
Now on a 125 shim:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6525287137_aa617683f3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525287137/)
DSC01484 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525287137/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
With the P6000 appropriately calibrated, Kelly moved on to begin the wet sanding demonstration. The key thing I have learnt about wet sanding is how important cleanliness is. If you catch a single dirt particle between the paper and the panel, the consequences can be severe. We began by flooding the panel, to remove any traces of dirt or dust:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6525299011_8e653af8d0_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525299011/)
DSC01499 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525299011/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
We began with 1500 grit. The paper was put into a bucket with warm water and hand wash (to help with lubricity):
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7167/6525301361_a35704f30f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525301361/)
DSC01502 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525301361/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Kelly began wet sanding by hand with 3M 1500
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6525300217_55c367272c_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525300217/)
DSC01500 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525300217/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/6525305437_10fb94a9ec_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525305437/)
DSC01504 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525305437/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
To deomstrate just how fine the ‘scratches’ from 1500 are, Kelly went over a test section with Lime Prime and Super Natural Hybrid:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6525316445_da9109f6d9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525316445/)
DSC01514 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525316445/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6525317699_df4ff645f3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525317699/)
DSC01516 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525317699/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6525320239_4bdce82cb3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525320239/)
DSC01519 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525320239/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Impressive stuff!! However, up close…
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6525325469_64ab5803d1_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525325469/)
DSC01522 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525325469/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
It just goes to show how deceiving some photos could be…
Next Kelly showed me how to use a Mirka DA Sander with 2000 grade disc:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7166/6525334331_1d905bfaa2_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525334331/)
DSC01528 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525334331/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6525341833_9c469f3127_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525341833/)
DSC01535 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525341833/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Now from certain angles, it would appear that the orange peel has been fully removed. I’ve seen a couple of threads where this process has been used, and from certain angles it looks perfectly flat:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7141/6525340917_3611d74497_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525340917/)
DSC01533 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525340917/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
However up close, at the right angle we can see the peel is still very much there!!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6525335255_8a952ce6ce_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525335255/)
DSC01530 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525335255/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
I then had my first go! 4000 Grit Abralon Pad on the Mirka, to refine the finish of the 2000:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7156/6525348301_7f58a31965_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525348301/)
DSC01542 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525348301/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7141/6525349189_d323af8608_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525349189/)
DSC01541 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525349189/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
I was keen to try the 2000 myself to see if orange peel could be removed on a different part of the test panel:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6525357055_0ab33a5036_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525357055/)
DSC01548 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525357055/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
However again, from certain angles it looks great – very flat:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/6525358135_e6cd50128a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525358135/)
DSC01551 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525358135/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
However, catch the lighting correctly and we can see the peel is still present:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7035/6525359155_3d91f43e3e_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525359155/)
DSC01552 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525359155/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Meanwhile Kelly just off refining the other part of the test panel so that it was all at 4000 grit level:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7166/6525368559_d797bb602e_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525368559/)
DSC01560 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525368559/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
For fun, we tried P1 via a 4000 Grit Pad…
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6525369497_3e812ea3e9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525369497/)
DSC01562 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525369497/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6525373103_76c890690b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525373103/)
DSC01565 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525373103/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7157/6525375561_487d21f3b8_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525375561/)
DSC01569 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525375561/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Not bad!!
However, clearly not perfect… so next Kelly polished the panel up with Scholl S3 and a Scholl Wool Pad via Flex Rotary:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/6525378765_79f3094c37_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525378765/)
DSC01573 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525378765/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7169/6525384355_a45c36c500_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525384355/)
DSC01576 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525384355/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
So the top half of his section of the panel was all done by machine (2000 then 4000 as I’ve seen on here many times) and the bottom part was all done by hand 1500, 2000, 2500, 3000 and 4000 (done properly IMO!).
Using a PDR light, we can see the bottom half of the panel (done by hand)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6525395767_4f7161bcef_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525395767/)
DSC01584 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525395767/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
(Note the dent)
Now the top half, done by machine:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6525394507_4b9390b846_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525394507/)
DSC01586 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525394507/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Now we can see that the orange peel has been flattened to an extent, but has not been removed entirely. From my perspective, it was clear to see that sanding by machine was not only very quick but also very easy to do – easier than correcting paint with a rotary certainly! Whilst it did flatten a little, it was beginning to become clear that to remove orange peel correctly and fully, then it needed to be done by hand.
Further pics of the panel:
Top Half (machine)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6525403403_bf1141af90_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525403403/)
DSC01590 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525403403/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Low Half (hand)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7166/6525406759_0415a81411_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525406759/)
DSC01593 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525406759/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Then it was my turn….!!!
So, before I started, we took a paint reading:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6525408379_a04f60cb18_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525408379/)
DSC01597 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525408379/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
I started, like Kelly did, with 1500 grit:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6525411905_1f40f71039_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525411905/)
DSC01601 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525411905/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6525413093_94d3032e60_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525413093/)
DSC01600 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525413093/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6525414617_f8a5e9b350_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525414617/)
DSC01599 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525414617/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Very scary stuff at first! It needed another pass to completely flatten the remaining peel:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6525418711_7f8582dbac_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525418711/)
DSC01603 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525418711/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6525420057_04beedc248_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525420057/)
DSC01605 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525420057/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Much better… much more even coverage and crucially, the peel is all but removed:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6525420977_011f5e24cd_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525420977/)
DSC01606 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525420977/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
2000 grade was next, then 2500:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6525423479_91b04b9982_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525423479/)
DSC01608 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525423479/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6525424353_4f4dd67f7f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525424353/)
DSC01609 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525424353/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
You can see the gloss starting to return to the paint at this stage, it becomes far more reflective.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6525425813_1c4bd8e914_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525425813/)
DSC01611 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525425813/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
We finished with 3000:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7035/6525431109_4a5d8774a3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525431109/)
DSC01613 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525431109/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6525427111_ef48b42def_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525427111/)
DSC01612 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525427111/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Next I used the Flex/S3/Wool combination to remove the sanding marks:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6525432177_31d2f61534_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525432177/)
DSC01614 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525432177/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6525435681_0520610191_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525435681/)
DSC01617 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525435681/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr[/QUOTE]
Not bad!!
However, clearly not perfect… so next Kelly polished the panel up with Scholl S3 and a Scholl Wool Pad via Flex Rotary:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/6525378765_79f3094c37_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525378765/)
DSC01573 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525378765/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7169/6525384355_a45c36c500_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525384355/)
DSC01576 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525384355/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
So the top half of his section of the panel was all done by machine (2000 then 4000 as I’ve seen on here many times) and the bottom part was all done by hand 1500, 2000, 2500, 3000 and 4000 (done properly IMO!).
Using a PDR light, we can see the bottom half of the panel (done by hand)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6525395767_4f7161bcef_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525395767/)
DSC01584 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525395767/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
(Note the dent)
Now the top half, done by machine:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6525394507_4b9390b846_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525394507/)
DSC01586 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525394507/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Now we can see that the orange peel has been flattened to an extent, but has not been removed entirely. From my perspective, it was clear to see that sanding by machine was not only very quick but also very easy to do – easier than correcting paint with a rotary certainly! Whilst it did flatten a little, it was beginning to become clear that to remove orange peel correctly and fully, then it needed to be done by hand.
Further pics of the panel:
Top Half (machine)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6525403403_bf1141af90_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525403403/)
DSC01590 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525403403/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Low Half (hand)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7166/6525406759_0415a81411_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525406759/)
DSC01593 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525406759/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Then it was my turn….!!!
So, before I started, we took a paint reading:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6525408379_a04f60cb18_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525408379/)
DSC01597 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525408379/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
I started, like Kelly did, with 1500 grit:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6525411905_1f40f71039_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525411905/)
DSC01601 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525411905/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6525413093_94d3032e60_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525413093/)
DSC01600 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525413093/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6525414617_f8a5e9b350_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525414617/)
DSC01599 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525414617/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Very scary stuff at first! It needed another pass to completely flatten the remaining peel:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6525418711_7f8582dbac_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525418711/)
DSC01603 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525418711/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6525420057_04beedc248_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525420057/)
DSC01605 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525420057/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Much better… much more even coverage and crucially, the peel is all but removed:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6525420977_011f5e24cd_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525420977/)
DSC01606 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525420977/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
2000 grade was next, then 2500:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6525423479_91b04b9982_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525423479/)
DSC01608 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525423479/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6525424353_4f4dd67f7f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525424353/)
DSC01609 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525424353/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
You can see the gloss starting to return to the paint at this stage, it becomes far more reflective.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6525425813_1c4bd8e914_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525425813/)
DSC01611 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525425813/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
We finished with 3000:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7035/6525431109_4a5d8774a3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525431109/)
DSC01613 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525431109/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6525427111_ef48b42def_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525427111/)
DSC01612 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525427111/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Next I used the Flex/S3/Wool combination to remove the sanding marks:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6525432177_31d2f61534_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525432177/)
DSC01614 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525432177/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6525435681_0520610191_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525435681/)
DSC01617 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525435681/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RussZS;3184258]That was my first practice run, so now we would repeat the process but on the fixed point where the laser pointer is:
First the panel was flooded:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6525437931_80cf54cf7a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525437931/)
DSC01621 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525437931/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6525441797_946bd9056b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525441797/)
DSC01622 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525441797/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/6525440665_25b9f54830_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525440665/)
DSC01623 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525440665/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7167/6525445733_792b79200a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525445733/)
DSC01626 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525445733/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
This is after 2 passes with 1500
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6525457177_58a69bfd98_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525457177/)
DSC01634 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525457177/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6525461077_e26cb4f036_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525461077/)
DSC01638 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525461077/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
2000 next:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6525464677_4df97cdbe5_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525464677/)
DSC01639 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525464677/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6525469515_a137e070a6_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525469515/)
DSC01643 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525469515/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7165/6525471723_283ccc6066_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525471723/)
DSC01645 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525471723/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Then on to 2500:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6525472829_271acc123f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525472829/)
DSC01646 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525472829/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7014/6525474179_c74f0a16ec_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525474179/)
DSC01647 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525474179/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7173/6525476179_f90d442e28_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525476179/)
DSC01651 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525476179/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
After 3000 we can really see the gloss starting to return, you also begin to get an appreciation of the final finish you are going to achieve:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6525483049_2987976e25_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525483049/)
DSC01656 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525483049/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6525481899_51ddcdc01b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525481899/)
DSC01652 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525481899/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
So, to summarise, at this stage I had hit the panel with 1500 twice, 2000, 2500 and 3000. We have seen the clearcoat reduce from 134-136 range, down to 128, to a maximum removal of about 6-8 microns. However, we must remember that this paint is rather quite soft, as the next test so aptly demonstrates.
Now it was time to remove the sanding marks, which were very fine, with a machine polisher. To try something different, I suggested we tested this with the Megs MF system (cutting disc and D300) and a Megs G220 DA:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7161/6525485771_324d6cbb02_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525485771/)
DSC01657 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525485771/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6525486765_1dd9e43324_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525486765/)
DSC01658 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525486765/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7165/6525487803_53c1597221_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525487803/)
DSC01660 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525487803/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6525490523_169c99dc79_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525490523/)
DSC01661 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525490523/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
I was expecting this, after all of this wet sanding, to remove about 2 microns or so, however we were both very surprised by this…
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7169/6525491895_8ef64109de_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525491895/)
DSC01662 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525491895/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
So we’d taken off 6-8 from all of that wet sanding, then the same again use the Megs MF system!! I was very surprised by the rate of removal. I worked the panel for 2-3 passes… as recommended.
Next, to test how much we would have removed had we used a Rotary, Wool, S3 and the right technique:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6525494667_8f4d1db57d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525494667/)
DSC01665 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525494667/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
This took it down to 122:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6525496291_88f6c4af89_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525496291/)
DSC01664 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525496291/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Next Kelly refined with Scholl Orange Spider Pad and S17+:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6525497105_ef62e226d6_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525497105/)
DSC01669 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525497105/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6525498039_22e617b598_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525498039/)
DSC01668 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525498039/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Then a further set with 3M Yellow Pad and a mix of 3M UltraFina and Extra Fine Compound, to leave:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6525501515_b26b6d3b55_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525501515/)
DSC01672 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525501515/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7141/6525503931_2ae2d0211e_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525503931/)
DSC01673 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525503931/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Final reading of:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6525505497_3483f14aa2_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525505497/)
DSC01676 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525505497/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
This was the end of Day One. I was staggered by the difference in the clarity of the panel, especially given that I’d done it largely myself! The removal rate of the Megs MF system was a bit of an eye opener for me too – I’ve only tended to use it on harder cars, removing around 3 microns. I’m going to do some further testing on softer paints to see if what we saw here is consistent. The effectiveness of wool surprised me too, and also how very little is actually being removed by the wet sanding process (especially when compared to the MF system). That was a long, but rewarding 12 hours…
Day Two:
Today we would be starting on my Golf! I was feeling quietly confident after doing a good job on the test panel – but as I’d soon discover, it’s a lot trickier working on a car with curved panels, when compared to a nice flat bonnet!
My car was shockingly filthy, so would obviously need a thorough cleaning before progressing. Paul, one of Kelly’s team very kindly cleaned the Golf for me, whilst Kelly let me have a play with the smaller Mirka sander and looking at RDS removal.
Letting Paul clean my car was a very odd experience for me as I’d not let anyone near my car for the past 5 years. However, as he was one of Kelly’s guys, I’m sure it’d be cared for in the highest possible way!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6525507249_8a92138d34_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525507249/)
DSC01677 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525507249/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7156/6525509153_38833c767c_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525509153/)
DSC01678 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525509153/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7142/6525511945_9043285e95_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525511945/)
DSC01679 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525511945/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
What a shocking state – hardly the best rolling advertisement for me!!:lol:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7015/6525522493_1195e7e1d5_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525522493/)
DSC01686 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525522493/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Back inside, Kelly was busy with his blade creating a load of RDS’s for me to remove!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6525527529_e18f934cb7_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525527529/)
DSC01689 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525527529/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
I’ve seen lots of threads where a Mirka and Sanding discs are used to remove an RDS, so Kelly was keen for me to have a go at this to see how effective this process would be:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7027/6525532331_39b1d4302d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525532331/)
DSC01694 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525532331/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6525533623_e69e209b38_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525533623/)
DSC01695 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525533623/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
2000 disc:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6525536689_9a7b95c798_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525536689/)
DSC01698 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525536689/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
It soon became very evident that wet sanding by machine, due to the firmness of the discs used, was levelling the paint (as expected) and therefore was not very effective at rounding any scratches off. The other point here is that you would be flattening the orange peel to an extent too, so this could look very odd on a very ‘peely’ surface.
On the taped off area, Kelly showed me how effective a rotary is at rounding RDS’s:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7142/6525566201_3bebc76e2b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525566201/)
DSC01722 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525566201/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6525568825_c165fbf791_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525568825/)
DSC01724 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525568825/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Really edging the pad to get the rouding to be as effective as possible:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7027/6525573405_61fb55585f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525573405/)
DSC01725 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525573405/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6525577433_014da039fb_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525577433/)
DSC01729 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525577433/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Gillingham, Kent devlet hastanesi Ruh hastalıkları birimini arıyorum ben direkt :D
The scratches were beginning to disappear, but so was the clearcoat!!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6525593509_76ae603876_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525593509/)
DSC01742 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525593509/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Still they were not quite gone, so more cutting with the Orange SP and S3:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6525596699_5a70338ef3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525596699/)
DSC01743 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525596699/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
He was REALLY working the panel too:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6525601665_2a0e66e078_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525601665/)
DSC01746 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525601665/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6525609743_290daec91f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525609743/)
DSC01750 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525609743/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6525606149_448d331dcb_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525606149/)
DSC01749 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525606149/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
What became clear at this point was that sanding wasn’t removing nearly as much clearcoat as I perhaps perceived, and that a lot of us have removed far more removing an RDS (clearly these were very severe examples though!)
We took a couple more pics of the panel and then turned our attention to the Golf:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6525666801_65bebcc152_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525666801/)
DSC01796 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525666801/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Please note that’s a bare panel, no CG Kore :p
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6525669063_dc320a5260_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525669063/)
DSC01797 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525669063/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6525672229_83d01b1c6f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525672229/)
DSC01800 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525672229/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Now it was time for this:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6525673519_54b5721e35_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525673519/)
DSC01801 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525673519/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6525675967_3a04f33928_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525675967/)
DSC01802 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525675967/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
It looks well from a distance, but up close…
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6525679137_624a751c58_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525679137/)
DSC01806 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525679137/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6525681447_253275ea9d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525681447/)
DSC01808 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525681447/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7161/6525683989_dc9ec869f7_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525683989/)
DSC01810 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525683989/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6525684753_fe3b2ded1a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525684753/)
DSC01811 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525684753/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6525689459_a2cb9c6bae_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525689459/)
DSC01814 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525689459/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6525690223_74199449f4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525690223/)
DSC01813 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525690223/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6525691525_cdd866b42d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525691525/)
DSC01817 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525691525/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7014/6525692341_bb23d2b984_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525692341/)
DSC01818 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525692341/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/6525693475_4e31632aa3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525693475/)
DSC01820 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525693475/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6525694649_237ae45877_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525694649/)
DSC01819 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525694649/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Again, we calibrated the PosiTector 6000:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6525699211_93e3300afd_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525699211/)
DSC01824 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525699211/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
It was out by a fair bit..so it was calibrated:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6525701585_3b335d4bd9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525701585/)
DSC01825 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525701585/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Test on the blue Shim (should be 125)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/6525708257_37bb57390b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525708257/)
DSC01829 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525708257/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/6525710051_a944c98e94_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525710051/)
DSC01831 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525710051/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
A few more pics of my peel using a PDR light:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7173/6525721771_31e9bab834_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525721771/)
DSC01841 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525721771/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6525723171_dc8e48c365_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525723171/)
DSC01842 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525723171/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6525726853_b9cdd0d649_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525726853/)
DSC01845 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525726853/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
We also taped up all panel gaps and put a protective sheet over my engine bay. I’d not considered this previously, but it was to stop the water, which would contain clearcoat, from drying and hardening in my panel gaps!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6525729129_f3f5ddb576_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525729129/)
DSC01846 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525729129/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/)
ogunozcan
05-01-2012, 22:16
ohaa yaaaa komple yapıcan arabyı bole yanar yanar:D
Fotoğraflara bakarken yoruldum... Arkadaş böyle manyaklık mı olur :D
The scratches were beginning to disappear, but so was the clearcoat!!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6525593509_76ae603876_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525593509/)
DSC01742 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525593509/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Still they were not quite gone, so more cutting with the Orange SP and S3:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6525596699_5a70338ef3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525596699/)
DSC01743 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525596699/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
He was REALLY working the panel too:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6525601665_2a0e66e078_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525601665/)
DSC01746 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525601665/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6525609743_290daec91f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525609743/)
DSC01750 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525609743/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6525606149_448d331dcb_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525606149/)
DSC01749 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525606149/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
What became clear at this point was that sanding wasn’t removing nearly as much clearcoat as I perhaps perceived, and that a lot of us have removed far more removing an RDS (clearly these were very severe examples though!)
We took a couple more pics of the panel and then turned our attention to the Golf:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6525666801_65bebcc152_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525666801/)
DSC01796 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525666801/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Please note that’s a bare panel, no CG Kore :p
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6525669063_dc320a5260_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525669063/)
DSC01797 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525669063/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6525672229_83d01b1c6f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525672229/)
DSC01800 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525672229/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Now it was time for this:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6525673519_54b5721e35_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525673519/)
DSC01801 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525673519/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6525675967_3a04f33928_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525675967/)
DSC01802 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525675967/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
It looks well from a distance, but up close…
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6525679137_624a751c58_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525679137/)
DSC01806 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525679137/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6525681447_253275ea9d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525681447/)
DSC01808 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525681447/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7161/6525683989_dc9ec869f7_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525683989/)
DSC01810 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525683989/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6525684753_fe3b2ded1a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525684753/)
DSC01811 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525684753/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6525689459_a2cb9c6bae_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525689459/)
DSC01814 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525689459/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6525690223_74199449f4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525690223/)
DSC01813 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525690223/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6525691525_cdd866b42d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525691525/)
DSC01817 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525691525/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7014/6525692341_bb23d2b984_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525692341/)
DSC01818 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525692341/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/6525693475_4e31632aa3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525693475/)
DSC01820 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525693475/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6525694649_237ae45877_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525694649/)
DSC01819 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525694649/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Again, we calibrated the PosiTector 6000:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6525699211_93e3300afd_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525699211/)
DSC01824 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525699211/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
It was out by a fair bit..so it was calibrated:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6525701585_3b335d4bd9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525701585/)
DSC01825 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525701585/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Test on the blue Shim (should be 125)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/6525708257_37bb57390b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525708257/)
DSC01829 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525708257/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/6525710051_a944c98e94_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525710051/)
DSC01831 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525710051/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
A few more pics of my peel using a PDR light:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7173/6525721771_31e9bab834_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525721771/)
DSC01841 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525721771/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6525723171_dc8e48c365_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525723171/)
DSC01842 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525723171/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6525726853_b9cdd0d649_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525726853/)
DSC01845 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525726853/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
We also taped up all panel gaps and put a protective sheet over my engine bay. I’d not considered this previously, but it was to stop the water, which would contain clearcoat, from drying and hardening in my panel gaps!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6525729129_f3f5ddb576_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525729129/)
DSC01846 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525729129/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/)
d.berkay
05-01-2012, 22:18
Eğer Ankara'da böyle şikayeti olan varsa aynı uygulama için bana ulaşabilir :)
Referans'ta gösterebilirim :)
Peugeot 206 Uygulaması.
Öncesi (kaput):
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9973/img0530fi.jpg
Zımpara aşaması:
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4166/img0540km.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2789/img0541rt.jpg
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/3943/img0547d.jpg
Sonrası:
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6986/img0551w.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/315/img0554o.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6332/img0555gi.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4042/img0573i.jpg
scholl concepts s17 farkı :)
eh tabiki büyük panelde zımpara ile çalışmakta epey tecrübe ister.
[QUOTE=RussZS;3184263]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7014/6522186925_1c192e32f5_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522186925/)
DSC_0017 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522186925/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6522200719_5e33af3423_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522200719/)
DSC_0012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522200719/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7156/6522227767_4ce9b9a7fc_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522227767/)
DSC_0018 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522227767/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7023/6522242105_cabf1ede07_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522242105/)
DSC_0001 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522242105/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/6522257915_b65c22c685_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522257915/)
DSC_0006 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522257915/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7141/6522274507_0d2ac46cb6_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522274507/)
DSC_0007 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522274507/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6522377763_37b61d023f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522377763/)
DSC_0002 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522377763/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7169/6522391379_40c33d6b82_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522391379/)
DSC_0019 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522391379/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/6522404687_cb8f5d5020_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522404687/)
DSC_0014 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6522404687/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
What an amazing three days. I’d like to express my deepest and sincerest thanks to Kelly and his team (Paul, Cons and Tracey) for their wonderful hospitality and time. They are a great bunch. I also have been astounded by Kelly’s detailing skills and knowledge of paint and all things detailing. He really is up there with the very best. I’ve never seen anyone handle a rotary with such skill and fluidity. I consider myself to be very good, but he has shown I can still learn more in terms of correcting more effectively in a shorter space of time – I’m going back for a bit more tuition next year. I’ve seen a lot of people polish, but nobody quite like this, and I need to learn in this way too.
My car looks incredible, and it’s so very rewarding knowing that I have done a lot of it myself. I could have never got it to look this good with a rotary alone. Swirl removal and jewelling can only take a finish so far. The increase in reflectivity and clarity you get from removing the orange peel is nothing short of breathtaking and I’d recommend it to anyone. I think the key point to remember is that on my car, we were removing as little as 6-8 microns to achieve this finish. The Megs MF system took off just as many just removing the 4000 grit marks, and we took off 15-20 removing an RDS – these are things detailers are doing every day all over the world. Wet sanding isn’t nearly as scary as it looks. Clearly it won’t be for everybody and won’t be suitable for every car, but we should remember that we are only removing the ‘high points’ in the clearcoat and making it perfectly flat. Very little of the ‘base’ is actually removed at all.
I’d also like to say thank you to Roy – without Roy we would have struggled to finish it in time, and I’d still have a very swirly roof. Thanks as ever Roy, a true Gent.
If you managed to read it all – then thank you. I know I will have missed some key points and would be happy to answer any questions where I can. Kelly will also be doing a thread from his own perspective (and with more more professional photos lol!)
This is the money shot for me!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6523800469_6594666ab0_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6523800469/)
DSC02098 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6523800469/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Russ – Midlands Car Care
Midlands Car Care Facebook Page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Midlands-Car-Care/273514062686622)
3m ve yaptıkları işi görünce 3m trizact işin içinde olur dedim ama gerek duymamışlar.
[QUOTE=RussZS;3184264]Oh and of course, not forgetting:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a39/rmauk123/DSC02106.jpg
A few more pics from Kelly's set:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6531891725_c471412373_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6531891725/)
DSC_0006 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6531891725/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6531886405_02a89f8cb7_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6531886405/)
DSC_0005 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6531886405/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
and how cool is this one????
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7028/6531905331_64f1f34a0a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6531905331/)
DSC_0010 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6531905331/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6531899693_b99a5f6654_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6531899693/)
DSC_0009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6531899693/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
Oh and you HAVE to see Kelly's M3 in the flesh..
I've seen a HD Video of it in the Sun and it's INCREDIBLE!!
Here are a few pics to get an idea....
Wheels by Lepsons:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7027/6525331707_d150ee6640_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525331707/)
DSC01527 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525331707/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7170/6525330643_8ed2416595_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525330643/)
DSC01525 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525330643/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6525329187_2577f0bde8_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525329187/)
DSC01524 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42262279@N04/6525329187/) by RussZS (http://www.flickr.com/people/42262279@N04/), on Flickr
kusura bakmayın arkadaşlar kesik kesik oldu forumda tek mesajta 40foto koyabiliyormuşuz o yüzden editlemekle uğraştım biraz :) aradaki mesajlarıda mod lar düzenlese süper olur :)
bazı fotoğrafları çok kere uploadlamışsın ama çok iyimiş :)
bazı fotoğrafları çok kere uploadlamışsın ama çok iyimiş :)
upload etmedim hocam başka siteden çaldım ama bazı mesajlarda sorun yaşadım gönder dediğim halde göndermiyordu meğersem flood yapmışım moderatöre bildiriyorum hemen :)
Gokhan43
05-01-2012, 22:35
Elimizde siyah bir MK5 var haberin olsun :) :p
imprezaWRC
05-01-2012, 22:50
Eğer Ankara'da böyle şikayeti olan varsa aynı uygulama için bana ulaşabilir :)
Referans'ta gösterebilirim :)
Peugeot 206 Uygulaması.
Boya kalınlığınıda ölçüyormusun?
daha dun e30 uma astar atıldı ve bu olayı sordum boyacıma portakallaşma ? eskıden nerdeyse yokdu sımdı sıfır araclarda bıle var hatta gecen audı r8 de bıle vardı soyledıgı sey, dırek boya omru ,istersen ayna gıbı boyıyalım ama boya omrune bısey dıyemem oldu.
yavuz364
05-01-2012, 22:57
Kesinlikle bineceğim her arabaya yapacağım bir uygulama :) portakallı boyaya gıcık oluyorum :)
Resimleri görünce anılarım canlandı :D
http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af325/yavuzongul/IMAG0118.jpg
mert0640
05-01-2012, 22:57
http://www.techturkey.com/forum/detailing-car-care/82940-detailing-garage-wet-sanded-passat.html
uzaklarda aramaya gerek yok yaptık oldu :)
d.berkay
05-01-2012, 22:58
Boya kalınlığınıda ölçüyormusun?
Şu an elimde boya kalınlık ölçme aleti yok ama uygulama yaptırmak istediğinizde temin edip istediğiniz şekilde uygulama yapabilirim.. Daha önce boya kalınlığını ölçerek defalarca uygulama yaptım. Aynen İngiliz arkadaşların de gördüğü gibi zımpara işlemi boyayı çok az inceltiyor. Ama ağır aşındırıcı bir ürünü yün ped ile uyguladığınızda boyadan daha fazla alıyorsunuz. Bu nokta da tecrübe giriyor işin içine. Şu ana kadar yaptığım uygulamalarda en fazla 15 micron incelme gördüm ki boyalı bir kaputta boyacının sebep olduğu izleri düzeltmek için yaptığım bir uygulamaydı boya kalınlığı 200 micronun üzerindeydi. Zaten özellikle vollkwagen grubu araçlarda, BMW ve Mercedeslerde kullanılan vernik çok sert olduğundan aşındırma işlemi çok az oluyor.
Uygulama fotoğraflarını paylaştığım 206'nın da kaputu kötü bir işçilikle boyanmıştı. Düzeltmek için 1500-2000-3000 zımparaları kullanmam gerekti.
firat_07
05-01-2012, 23:00
bu işlemi işinin ehli olan boyacıların bir çogu yapıyor
Önümüzdeki ay bende yaptırıyorum aynı uygulamayı.Bu ay araba falan aldım maddi duruma rehavet çöktü:D
d.berkay
05-01-2012, 23:03
Boyacılar da yapıyor yalnız sorun yapmak değil :) Boyayı düzenli inceltmek ve işlem sonucunda hiç zımpara izi kalmamasını sağlamak mesele.. Ayrıca sonradan boya yapılmış arabalarda uygulamak daha kolay. Aracın orjinal boyasında uygulama yapmak çok daha zor ve riskli.
cıkartamamkı dısarı ben arabayı:)
Her otoboya işleminden sonra zaten bunu yapıyorlar :) ( babam otoboyacı ) eğer aracın orjinali portakallıysa hiç gerek yok zaten boyadan sonra portakallılarda yapmıyorlar. NOrmal boya ise yapılabilir. ama gereksiz bir işlem diye düşünüyorum
emresener
06-01-2012, 08:49
benım caravellede oldum olası vardı bu olay ayar oluyodum kimsede yanaşmıodu zımpara yapmaya koca mınıbus sonuç olarak. ventoda uygulama yapılmadan önce heryerini zımpara ile geçmişti usta sonuç mukemmel tabi ama boya kalınlığı ölçme falan yapılmadı yapanda yoktur tahminimce :D
By_HaNNibaLL
06-01-2012, 09:13
Bu adamlarin akil sağliği hiç normal değil bence :D
Ama bide şu var uğraştiklari arabalar zaten hep temiz vereyim benim arabayi 1 hafta uğraşmalari alir ki işlem yaptiklari arabalarin ayarina gelmesi için :D:D
Blackbird
06-01-2012, 09:22
Bu portakal kabuğu şeklindeki durum Ferrariler de bile olan bir şey sebebi su bazlı boyalar kullanılması çevreye zarar vermeyen doğa dostu malzeme kullanılması.
Boyanın portakal kabuğu şeklinde olması boyanın dayanıklılığına bir artı kazandırdığını sanmıyorum öyle söyleyenler mantığın anlatırsa sevinirim.
Dikkatli yapılan bir uygulamada 5-10 micron arası incelmeyi göze almak gerekiyor, detaylı boya ölçüm yapılması gerekiyor.
Ahmet_28
06-01-2012, 09:27
bu adam bu arabayı boyasız diye satar :)
B.Battal
06-01-2012, 11:10
Rahatsız herifler ya ayna resmen yuh biz de cila mı atıyoruz dedim kendi kendime :)
Makine, keçe falan neyse de zımpara hrbi cesaret işi bir kaç tane hurdayla uğraşmak lazım sağlam arabaya girişmeden önce :))
d.berkay
06-01-2012, 11:17
Genelleme yapmak istemem ama boyacıların %90'ı boya öncesi ve sonrası zımpara işlemine gereken önemi vermiyor. Kullandıkları zımparalar çok eskimiş ve taş-toz dolu üstleri. Çoğu zaman yaptıkları boyayı çiziyorlar. O kadar çok uygulama yaptım ki boyalı panelleri düzeltmek için bunu gönül rahatlığı ile söyleyebilirim.
İşlem bence gereksiz değil. Portakal kabuğu görünümü aracın parlaklığını çok azaltan bir etki yapıyor. O yüzden bu kadar uğraşıyor insanlar.
@ahmet28: Hocam aracın boyalı olduğunu nereden çıkarttınız? :) Aracın fabrikasyon boyası o şekilde.
Day Walker
06-01-2012, 11:24
Adamlar işini çok iyi yapıyorlar belli.her uygulamada boya kalınlığını ölçüp vernipten boyaya inmemek için ona göre işlem yapıyorlar bravo.
SekoLive
06-01-2012, 11:26
sıfır albea aldı arkadaşm taksiye sokacak gece zımpara atıyoz :D ona bile kyamıyordm :D adam güzel yapms cesaret ve titizlik işi herkes kolay kolay yapamaz kendi fikrm
aynı fotolardan tekrar tekrar var yanlışmıyım ?
adamlar uğraşmış yaw... :D ama hakkı var , gereksiz falan değil yani , çıkan görüntü harika olmuş geç karşısına otur :D
Adamlar metalden siyah aynayı icat etmişler. O nasıl parlaklık. Hiç öyle parlayan bir arabam olucakmı acaba.
Cila yaptığımızı sanıyordum. Harbiden bu adamlar kafayı kırmış:)
aynı fotolardan tekrar tekrar var yanlışmıyım ?
Doğrudur bende fark ettim bir kaç arkadaşda fark etmiş ;)
Şimdi burda bu işlemi yapan bir kaç prf arkadaş var yorumlardan anlayabiliyoruz,bu işlemin aynısın burda verebildiğinimi söylüyorsunuz bize ?
fatihcakin
07-01-2012, 18:16
Bu yapılanlar biraz gösteriş olmuş bence bizim boyacılar aynısını yapıyor tabi herkes kaliteli ürün kullanmıyo o ayrı
dragstar
09-01-2012, 10:46
nasıl sabır var adamlarda anlamadım
Bu adamların aldığı parada yaptığı işin özenide bizim sanayide ustaların aldığı para ve gösterdiği özenle bir değil malesef... Ayrıca canavar gibi ayna olmuş o arabalar ama kesinlikle daha kolay çizilmeye başlıyor zımpara yapıldıktan sonra boya ve kısır döngüye giriliyor ben arabama zımpara vurdurmam.Anca eski model bi araba alırım kötüdür boyası cok çiziktir basarım zımparayı yaptırırım uygulamasını.
Blackbird
09-01-2012, 17:52
Yurtdışından daha pahalıya sarf malzemeleri alındığı düşünülürse 200 TL böyle bir uygulama beklemek hayal ne kadar köfte okadar ekmek.
İngilterede buna benzer bir firmadaki fiyatları yazım bende;
*Detaylı Yıkama+kil+Wax veya sealant (işlem 4saat) = 420 TL+ kdv
*Detaylı Yıkama+kil+polisaj+ wax veya sealant (2 gün) = 1920 TL +kdv
*Tüm herşeyi kapsayan 5 gün+ süren gerekiyorsa zımpara vs..... 5760 TL +kdv
Firmayı merak edenler için; Service Options | Detailing Services | Polished Bliss (http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/detailing-services-service-options.html)
Bu firmanın yaptığı uygulamanın daha detaylısını yarı fiyatına yapabilirim varmı isteyen ? :D:D:D Biz onlardan farklı düşünüyoruz 1 tirlyon verip özel bir otomobile binsek bile bu paraları hiç kimsenin vereceğini sanmıyorum.
mert0640
09-01-2012, 18:00
Yurtdışından daha pahalıya sarf malzemeleri alındığı düşünülürse 200 TL böyle bir uygulama beklemek hayal ne kadar köfte okadar ekmek.
İngilterede buna benzer bir firmadaki fiyatları yazım bende;
*Detaylı Yıkama+kil+Wax veya sealant (işlem 4saat) = 420 TL+ kdv
*Detaylı Yıkama+kil+polisaj+ wax veya sealant (2 gün) = 1920 TL +kdv
*Tüm herşeyi kapsayan 5 gün+ süren gerekiyorsa zımpara vs..... 5760 TL +kdv
Firmayı merak edenler için; Service Options | Detailing Services | Polished Bliss (http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/detailing-services-service-options.html)
Bu firmanın yaptığı uygulamanın daha detaylısını yarı fiyatına yapabilirim varmı isteyen ? :D:D:D Biz onlardan farklı düşünüyoruz 1 tirlyon verip özel bir otomobile binsek bile bu paraları hiç kimsenin vereceğini sanmıyorum.
Nokta atış...çok önemli bi yere değinmissin:icon_tup:
Ae86 Cem abinin arabasını boyattığı ustamız var izmir'de, ondan şaşmam böyle bir işe gireceksem, gözüm de arkamda kalmaz vereceğim paraya da acımam.
Ama ingiltere'deki fiyatlar cidden uçukmuş şahsen ne boya korumaya, ne yenilemeye, ne de zımparaya o kadar para veremem sanırım :) aylık 10 k paund fln kazanmam lazım verebilmek için :D
İlbey Dinçer
09-01-2012, 18:55
siyah bir passata yapılırken görmüştüm ama bunlar fena parlamış benim gördügüm araba parlaktı ama bu kadar değil resmen camdan araba olmuş.
fatihcakin
09-01-2012, 21:42
Bu adamların aldığı parada yaptığı işin özenide bizim sanayide ustaların aldığı para ve gösterdiği özenle bir değil malesef... Ayrıca canavar gibi ayna olmuş o arabalar ama kesinlikle daha kolay çizilmeye başlıyor zımpara yapıldıktan sonra boya ve kısır döngüye giriliyor ben arabama zımpara vurdurmam.Anca eski model bi araba alırım kötüdür boyası cok çiziktir basarım zımparayı yaptırırım uygulamasını.
Evet çizilme olayı gerçekten doğru bi süre sonra araçın ustune ne cila kalıyor ne boya koruma arabayı silerken verniğin hafiften çizildiğini görebiliyorsunuz
Ae86 Cem abinin arabasını boyattığı ustamız var izmir'de, ondan şaşmam böyle bir işe gireceksem, gözüm de arkamda kalmaz vereceğim paraya da acımam.
Ama ingiltere'deki fiyatlar cidden uçukmuş şahsen ne boya korumaya, ne yenilemeye, ne de zımparaya o kadar para veremem sanırım :) aylık 10 k paund fln kazanmam lazım verebilmek için :D
Levent buyur gel bekleriz :)
bu olayı kayseride yapan yer varmı?
Bel altı boyalı twingoma yapmıştım bende. inanılmaz değiştiriyor aracın parlaklığını.
İbrahim Erdem
14-01-2012, 22:22
Yurtdışından daha pahalıya sarf malzemeleri alındığı düşünülürse 200 TL böyle bir uygulama beklemek hayal ne kadar köfte okadar ekmek.
İngilterede buna benzer bir firmadaki fiyatları yazım bende;
*Detaylı Yıkama+kil+Wax veya sealant (işlem 4saat) = 420 TL+ kdv
*Detaylı Yıkama+kil+polisaj+ wax veya sealant (2 gün) = 1920 TL +kdv
*Tüm herşeyi kapsayan 5 gün+ süren gerekiyorsa zımpara vs..... 5760 TL +kdv
Firmayı merak edenler için; Service Options | Detailing Services | Polished Bliss (http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/detailing-services-service-options.html)
Bu firmanın yaptığı uygulamanın daha detaylısını yarı fiyatına yapabilirim varmı isteyen ? :D:D:D Biz onlardan farklı düşünüyoruz 1 tirlyon verip özel bir otomobile binsek bile bu paraları hiç kimsenin vereceğini sanmıyorum.
bu işlemler için bu kadar para verene kadar setin tamamını toplar kendim yaparım şahsen.
2000 tl ye makinesinden yıkamasına foam lancesinden wax ve pastasına kral bir set kurulur.
Blackbird
14-01-2012, 22:32
bu işlemler için bu kadar para verene kadar setin tamamını toplar kendim yaparım şahsen.
2000 tl ye makinesinden yıkamasına foam lancesinden wax ve pastasına kral bir set kurulur.
Elinden gelen meraklı olan tabiki senin gibi düşünür ama herkes uğraşacak diye birşeyde yok. Çok zor birşey değil tabiki istedikten sonra yapılabilir ama her profesyonel fotoğraf makinesi alan istedeği sonuçları alamıyor gibi...
bu olayı kayseride yapan yer varmı?
var özsa da yapıyorlar ;) bu kadar olmasada ciddi fark oluyor ;)
aliergun
15-01-2012, 15:36
bende konuyla ilgili bi uygulamamı paylaşayım bari.
lokal boya yapılan çamurlukta vernik taşırırken çok portakallaşma olmuştu, birde damlama hataları vs vardı. onu bi elden geçirdim. aynı zamanda da fotoğrafladım. Spot lambasında sıkıntı olduğu için finalde spot test yapamadım maalesef..
Buyrun Fotoğraflar. :)
Boyanın ilk hali
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m635/maliergun/IMG_9778.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m635/maliergun/IMG_9797.jpg
2000 +2500 zımpara işlemleri..
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m635/maliergun/IMG_9808.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m635/maliergun/IMG_9819.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m635/maliergun/IMG_9824.jpg
Meguiars M105 + 205 + glaze sonrası
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m635/maliergun/IMG_9829.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m635/maliergun/IMG_9835.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m635/maliergun/IMG_9848.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m635/maliergun/IMG_9849.jpg
Yansimalara renk katmisim, guzel olmus :D
Ben bu derece duzelmesini beklemiyordum valla cok iyi oldu :)
omercanilica
16-01-2012, 08:13
guzel olmus baya ellerıne saglık ...
aliergun
19-01-2012, 00:55
Yansimalara renk katmisim, guzel olmus :D
Ben bu derece duzelmesini beklemiyordum valla cok iyi oldu :)
Aynen yoksa anlaşılmıycaktı yaptığımız iş :D
guzel olmus baya ellerıne saglık ...
Eyvallah :)
Eline sağlık Ali güzel olmuş ;)
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