Castrol Top Shop Challenge Engine Build

[TURBO_S2K]

Kisaca bu yarismanin amaci amerikanin en iyi 7 tuning shop u motor yapicak ve 100 oktan da 1000hp motor gucu elde etmeye calisicak.

AMS 4G63 u proje motoru olarak secmis, setup larinin resimlerini koymustu S2000 forumuna buraya link koyiyim dedim.

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=641695

[egeturbo]

vooov süper ama orda parça ucuz istediğin parça var çok güzel bence verdiğin linkten devamlı takip edebilirmiyiz

[B.Aktepe]

rb26 yapan firma kazanır sp engineering ti galiba:)

[STP]

ama anlamadımkı ben 1000 hp ıcın barı bı hacım belırleselermıs

[B.Aktepe]

ama anlamadımkı ben 1000 hp ıcın barı bı hacım belırleselermıs

Castrol Top Shop Challenge Rules

Competitors:
Eurotuner magazine
Import Tuner magazine
Lowrider magazine
Modified magazine
Sport Compact Car magazine
Super Street magazine
Turbo magazine

Rules:
A. Engine Setup
1. Only a production engine found in a production-based car will be allowed as your engine for competition.
2. Only one forced-induction system permitted (turbo or supercharger, NO nitrous oxide). Factory turbo or superchargers count as the one forced-induction system.
3. No methanol, auxiliary fuel or water injection is allowed.
4. Engine management is based on what the teams are most skilled at. Final tuning runs will be performed on an engine dyno and so a mobile wiring harness is required. Do not show up with your engine in a car.
5. Parts must be provided by the competitor. Should any parts be outsourced from other manufacturers, individual competitors cover any additional expenses or negotiate individual sponsorships. The object of the competition is to ensure most parts are obtainable to the reader.
6. Custom parts will be allowed. Aftermarket parts used can be modified.
7. Heat or cryo treating and thermal coating is permitted.
8. No welding of cylinder head to the block.
9. Testing will be done with no muffler but header/manifold choice must fit a production chassis.

B. Fuel and Oil
1. Engines will be required to run only on a spec 100-octane gas. We will not allow any type of additives or oxidizers to make any type of special blend of gasoline. Gas will be distributed at our test location with fuel testing done before and after your dyno session.
2. Spec Castrol oil of the shop's requested weight will only be used. No oil additives will be allowed.

C. Format1. End results will fall within the following categories:
∙ Peak horsepower and torque per liter of displacement. Turbo/superchargers are given a multiplier of two (a 3.0L turbo motor makes 600 hp, 600 hp 3.0-liter x 2 multiplier = 100 hp per liter) Naturally aspirated motors receive no multiplier. Exception: Rotary motors (13B, 20B etc... will have their displacement doubled as well)
* Power under the curve
* A 30-minute drive cycle
* Build quality/craftsmanship (judged by a panel of three experts)
2. All of the above mentioned categories will be based off of one dyno run on a reasonable ramp rate or engine load of our choice.
3. A 100-point system will be used for horsepower/torque, power under the curve and build quality. You'll get 100 points for completing the 30-minute drive cycle. If the motor doesn't complete the drive cycle you'll receive 0 points.

1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th
HP/TQ 30 20 15 12 10 8 5
PUC 30 20 15 12 10 8 5 30
DC 100 100 100 100 100 100 100
Build 30 20 15 12 10 8 5
TOTAL 190 160 145 136 130 124 115


The highest combined point total will determine the winner.
4. Each shop will need to have their engine tuned before they come to the competition. Tuners will be allowed 45 minutes before their first official run to fine-tune.
5. Once all tuning is complete, a final run for the end result rests on the team. Final test run will be the same day as the tuning performed of the engine. Air temp and barometric pressures will vary from day to day but if possible we'll run corrected numbers at sea level. Following the peak power dyno runs will be the 30-minute drive cycle. Your motor will need to last the entire competition to be able to win.

[STP]

cok anladım valla saol :D

[B.Aktepe]

o değilde aynı yarışma yada benzeri türkiyede de olsa ne güzel olur:)

[cem]

yarışmanın offical sitesi burası , http://www.syntectopshopchallenge.com/
Burdan engine buildları diger detayları inceleyebilirsiniz.Ams ( modified Mag) adı altında
hazırlıyor o linkten detaylarına ulaşabilirsiniz.

Hazırlanan motorlar,
Sp engineering rb26
Ams - 4g63
Bisimoto - f22 vtec
Cosworth - VQ35DE
G Dimensions - sr20det
Ace Machine- 7 litre ZZ427
034 Motorsport - 7A 2.3 litre Audi 80

edit:sp rb26 üzerinde karar kılmış.

[B.Aktepe]

rb26 iyidir yaf:)

[Mr.K]

adamlarin gozlerinden mutluluk akiyo ya fotograflarda cok guzel ciddi anlamda helal olsun :)

Tr'de yapilma konusuna gelince. .. olmaz olamaz boyle bi durum sanmiyorum :)

[cem]

Dergilerle beraber verelimde daha net olsun :)



Modified/AMS Performance
Engine: Mitsubishi 2.0L 4G63
Rumored Build: 1,000 hp
We Say: Mass explosion on engine dyno. They won't pass the second round.



http://image.automotive.com/f/features/10867502/turp_0810_03_z+nissan_rb26dett_castrol_syntec_chal lenge+modified_mitsubishi_4g63.jpg

eurotuner/034Motorsport
Engine: Audi 2.3L 20V
Rumored Build: 650 to 775 hp depending on boost, 30 to 40 psi
We Say: With porting like this we're expecting 500 hp on a good day.


http://images.importtuner.com/syntectopshop/eurotuner/impp_0811_01_z+part_187_top_shop_challenge+engine_ block.jpg

Import Tuner/G-Dimension
Engine: Nissan 2.0L SR20DET
Rumored Build: 900 hp
We Say: Valvetrain failure or turbo lag from big turbo to make the power.



http://image.automotive.com/f/features/10867505/turp_0810_06_z+nissan_rb26dett_castrol_syntec_chal lenge+import_tuner_sr20det.jpg


Lowrider/Ace Machine
Engine: Chevrolet ZZ502 Twin Turbo
Rumored Build: 502 hp out of a crate motor (1,000-plus twin turbo)
We Say: 502 cubic inches, bore/stroke: 4.466 inches x 4. Need we say more? We need horsepower not tree stump pullers.



http://image.automotive.com/f/features/10652437/turp_0810_07_z+nissan_rb26dett_castrol_syntec_chal lenge+lowrider_chevy_zz502.jpg

Super Street/Bisimoto
Engine: Honda 2.2L F22
Rumored Build: 350 hp
We Say: Decent SOHC power but no match for the RB26DETT.

http://images.importtuner.com/syntectopshop/superstreet/sstp_0807_02_z+bisi_ezerioha+cylinder_heads.jpg


Sport Compact Car/Cosworth
Engine: Nissan 3.5L VQ35DE
Rumored Build: 450 naturally aspirated horsepower
We Say: Competitive on engine dyno but falls short in terms of points needed to win.



http://image.automotive.com/f/features/10652443/turp_0810_09_z+nissan_rb26dett_castrol_syntec_chal lenge+vq35de_engine.jpg


Turbo Magazine Engine / Sp Engineering

http://images.importtuner.com/syntectopshop/turbo/0807_turp_01_z+castrol_syntec_top_shop_challenge+r b26dett.jpg

etc.

Sp (2jz)

http://images.turbomagazine.com/news/turp_0806_05_z+castrol_syntec_top_shop_challenge+t oyota_supra_2jz_engine.jpg

[efe-E]

neden 2jz tercih eden yok?

[gurcell]

Eden varmış vazgeçmiş. İyi de olmuş, bir tane 2jz 'nin hayatı kurtulmuştur :)

[cem]

neden 2jz tercih eden yok?

SP :

"From 1,100hp Supras to 1,000hp Skylines, there seems to be no limit to what Alex and his team of mechanics can accomplish. Our initial plans before talking with Alex was to initially build a 2JZ motor in hopes of eclipsing the 1,000hp marker on 100-octane fuel. The five-digit horsepower numbers were a realistic goal that have been tried and tested throughout the years. The 3.0-liter mill seemed to fit the bill for our build but we ran into a series of problems within the competition rules that would affect our winning outcome. If we decided to stroke the factory displacement to a 3.4-liter and were given the penalty of using a forced-induction setup by a multiple of two, we'd divide our target horsepower of 1,100 and get 161.7 hp/per liter. Not a bad number to work with but if our competitors decide to build a 4G63 or SR20DET engine, the 2.0L engine multiplied by 2 and divided by a target goal of 650 hp would net them 162.5 hp/per liter. Close to half our 2JZ horsepower figure but a better horsepower/per liter ratio, which would give them the winning edge.

So what is a team hell-bent on taking home the winning trophy and bragging rights to do? It's rather simple. We take our engine selection to the next level and build a noteworthy RB26DETT and decimate the competition. If high-horsepower 2JZ buildups are regarded as the staple within the SP repertoire, believe it or not, their knowledge of the RB26DETT comes in even stronger. "If we target somewhere in the 1,000hp range and receive all the parts we have been talking about, its not hard to make this a realistic goal because in all truth, it's been done before. It's typical to see 1,300 to 1,400 hp cranked out from the RB26DETT. When we built my RB26 a few years back I didn't even go crazy on the engine so weren't really pushing the engine. My R33 put down 980 whp and was dynoed while running a hollinger transmission so I'm not even worried about having to push this motor." With a smile and look of confidence Alex continues by saying "Hirofumi Kondo, our chief mechanic was working at Blitz Japan for eight years before he began full time at SP Engineering. Turbocharging, supercharging, and computer tuning is Hiros specialty so I have full confidence in him. Hiros been installing and tuning the HKS V-Pro with exceptional knowledge because he's been there and done that for some time now with an advantage of over four years of tuning ahead of U.S. tuners."

While all details on the engine aren't finalized as this article goes to press, one thing we're certain is that the 2.6L mill will be stroked to a 2.8 displacement and for good reasons. The theory behind stroking the RB rather than going with the factory displacement comes down to the factory crank. "The crankshaft isn't fully counterweight," Alex says. "When you buy a stroker kit it comes with a full counterweight crankshaft, but not from factory not like the 2JZ. That's the weak point of the RB. The powerband with the RB26DETT possesses a broader scale power range compared to the 2JZ powerplant at the same horsepower level. If you overlap a RB26 to a 2JZ dyno sheet it will become apparent the major differences with the power curve. The 2JZ powerband is so short; it's crazy in comparison to the RB26DETT." This becomes a major factor when determining the top point's leader in the "Power Under the Curve" category for the Castrol Top Shop Challenge."

[VeNoM_35]

özetlemek gerekirse (ing bilmeyen arkadaşlar için):
güçlü olmak bir yana, turbo çarpanı 2 olduğu için hacimi fazla arttırmak istemiyorlar kısacası. çünkü yarışma "hp per liter" oranına göre değerlendirilecekmiş. yani az hacim-çok güç lazım.

[Tuner]

iyimiş...

http://amsteam.net/files/2/amstopshop_07%20copy.jpg

[B.Aktepe]

iyimiş...

http://amsteam.net/files/2/amstopshop_07%20copy.jpg

bu anca böyle foto olarak kalır:)

[Eriador]

http://images.automotive.com/cob/factory_automotive/images/Features/auto_shows/2006_LAAS/_Ferrari_F1%20Engine__front.jpg

alsınlar 1 tane bundan yapsınlar ne uğraşıyorlar :) onlarda para *** zati :D

ayıptır sölemesi kendisi F 2006 GA Michael Schumacher in 2006 Brezila GP de 20.000 devir çevirdiği son show unu yaptığı motor 2.8 litrecik ! ama 1000 hp olduğu tahmin ediliyor :D

bide turbo yu çaktımı buna of of :D

[cem]

bu anca böyle foto olarak kalır:)

28i söktüler zaten :)

[B.Aktepe]

28i söktüler zaten :)

ondan dedim:)

[OmerRS]

S10/12 BMW motoru iyi iş görür. 1.5 litre 1500 hp yarışmaya göre de litre başına 500 hp elde ediliyor.

Ancak benim anlamadığım motorların sadece güçlerine bakarak nereye varacaklar ki. en azından bir şasi üzerinde nasıl performans gösterdiğini ölçseler.

Ha birde Cosworth ü destekliyorum :D gerçi reno V6 sından ne kadar iş çıkar onu bilemicem.

[B.Aktepe]

ölçüyorlar zaten ilk sayfada yazdım kriterleri kuralları.

[MeRtCaN]

o değilde aynı yarışma yada benzeri türkiyede de olsa ne güzel olur:)

evet firmalar
benım
senın
stp nın motorlarını alıp 1000 hp yapıp bıze gerı verseler mesela
ne guzl olurdu :D

[efe-E]

SP :

"From 1,100hp Supras to 1,000hp Skylines, there seems to be no limit to what Alex and his team of mechanics can accomplish. Our initial plans before talking with Alex was to initially build a 2JZ motor in hopes of eclipsing the 1,000hp marker on 100-octane fuel. The five-digit horsepower numbers were a realistic goal that have been tried and tested throughout the years. The 3.0-liter mill seemed to fit the bill for our build but we ran into a series of problems within the competition rules that would affect our winning outcome. If we decided to stroke the factory displacement to a 3.4-liter and were given the penalty of using a forced-induction setup by a multiple of two, we'd divide our target horsepower of 1,100 and get 161.7 hp/per liter. Not a bad number to work with but if our competitors decide to build a 4G63 or SR20DET engine, the 2.0L engine multiplied by 2 and divided by a target goal of 650 hp would net them 162.5 hp/per liter. Close to half our 2JZ horsepower figure but a better horsepower/per liter ratio, which would give them the winning edge.

So what is a team hell-bent on taking home the winning trophy and bragging rights to do? It's rather simple. We take our engine selection to the next level and build a noteworthy RB26DETT and decimate the competition. If high-horsepower 2JZ buildups are regarded as the staple within the SP repertoire, believe it or not, their knowledge of the RB26DETT comes in even stronger. "If we target somewhere in the 1,000hp range and receive all the parts we have been talking about, its not hard to make this a realistic goal because in all truth, it's been done before. It's typical to see 1,300 to 1,400 hp cranked out from the RB26DETT. When we built my RB26 a few years back I didn't even go crazy on the engine so weren't really pushing the engine. My R33 put down 980 whp and was dynoed while running a hollinger transmission so I'm not even worried about having to push this motor." With a smile and look of confidence Alex continues by saying "Hirofumi Kondo, our chief mechanic was working at Blitz Japan for eight years before he began full time at SP Engineering. Turbocharging, supercharging, and computer tuning is Hiros specialty so I have full confidence in him. Hiros been installing and tuning the HKS V-Pro with exceptional knowledge because he's been there and done that for some time now with an advantage of over four years of tuning ahead of U.S. tuners."

While all details on the engine aren't finalized as this article goes to press, one thing we're certain is that the 2.6L mill will be stroked to a 2.8 displacement and for good reasons. The theory behind stroking the RB rather than going with the factory displacement comes down to the factory crank. "The crankshaft isn't fully counterweight," Alex says. "When you buy a stroker kit it comes with a full counterweight crankshaft, but not from factory not like the 2JZ. That's the weak point of the RB. The powerband with the RB26DETT possesses a broader scale power range compared to the 2JZ powerplant at the same horsepower level. If you overlap a RB26 to a 2JZ dyno sheet it will become apparent the major differences with the power curve. The 2JZ powerband is so short; it's crazy in comparison to the RB26DETT." This becomes a major factor when determining the top point's leader in the "Power Under the Curve" category for the Castrol Top Shop Challenge."

Eyvallah Kanka , tesekkur ederim

[B.Aktepe]

evet firmalar
benım
senın
stp nın motorlarını alıp 1000 hp yapıp bıze gerı verseler mesela
ne guzl olurdu :D

mertcan ne kadar doru söyledin yaf:)

[cem]

Ha birde Cosworth ü destekliyorum :D gerçi reno V6 sından ne kadar iş çıkar onu bilemicem.

İnternet oylamasında cosworth birinci şuanda ,
fanatiklik bu olsa gerek :D

[OmerRS]

Cossie iyidir:D

Yalnız bunlar Cosworth ün amerikan şubesi. fazla şarlatan duruyolar :D

[senna]

hımm f22yi eğer k20 ile karıştırılırsa güzel şeyler olabilir :)

rb26 alabilir ama kozi eğer avrupadan biraz bişi öğrenmişse onlarda olabilir

ams setupını biraz daha basite indirgeerse daha başarılı olacaktır

[gorke]

sr20det in 1000hp de pek şansı yok gibi gözüküyor.

[mono]

kurallar süpermiş,

no welding cylinder head to the block,

böyle manyaklarda var demek ki amerikada :D

[killererkan]

sr20det yapanda var..amanın ..cok meraklandım

[Ae86]

2jz den vazgeçilirmi cık cık

[cem]

Ams winner :D ;





"The Winner of the Castrol Top Shop Challenge was unveiled today at a press conference at the SEMA show in Las Vegas. We came out on top with our 2.0 liter Mitsubishi 4G63 making 1035 HP on the engine dyno with only 100 octane fuel. We scored 421 points with the G-Dimensions/Import Tuner SR20 coming in second place with 356 points.

Here are the final numbers to the best of our memory: (official results should be up soon)




1. AMS/Modified Mag 1035HP 2.0L Mitsu. 4G63 Turbo 421 points

2. G-Dimensions/Import Tuner 827HP 2.2L Nissan SR20 Turbo 356 points

Not sure how the rest placed but here is what we know:

• 034 Motorsports/Eurotuner 848HP 2.3L Audi 5cyl. Turbo
• Ace Machine/Lowrider Mag 1092HP 6.0L Chevy V-8 Twin Turbo
• Bisimoto ?? 2.2L Honda F22A N/A
• Cosworth/Sport Compact Car 438HP 3.5L Nissan VQ V-6 N/A
• SP Engineering/Turbo Mag 966HP 2.5L Nissan RB26 Turbo


Thanks to everyone who voted for us! We hope our engine finds a great home!


http://www.predator-performance.com/sema081/winners.jpg

[SubieGuy]

S10/12 BMW motoru iyi iş görür. 1.5 litre 1500 hp yarışmaya göre de litre başına 500 hp elde ediliyor.

Ancak benim anlamadığım motorların sadece güçlerine bakarak nereye varacaklar ki. en azından bir şasi üzerinde nasıl performans gösterdiğini ölçseler.

Ha birde Cosworth ü destekliyorum :D gerçi reno V6 sından ne kadar iş çıkar onu bilemicem.
F1 turbolarında BMW sırf toluen ile yürüyordu, o sayede 50+ Psi basıyorlardı, 100 oktanla onu yapmaları bayağı zor olur Ömer.
cossy USA zaten biraz tırt çıktı, bi de dediğin gibi reno motoru... :soru:

[killererkan]

4G63 ün birinciliğine şaşırmadım da... RB26 nın sonunculuğuna şaştım
buarada SR'den de 827 beygir almışlar.. o makinanın setuplarını çok merak ettim..

[öskür]

Allahına gurban:)
forever ivo,alayına gider ehehe:)

[Onuralp]

4G63 Foreva... :D

[umut01]

bu değerleri bide şasi üstünde deneseler. drag gibi pist gibi. nasıl bişey olur acaba?
bide yanlış görmediysem subaru yoktu. yanlışsam düzeltin.

[B.Aktepe]

Bisimoto built a 2.4L F22 SOHC N/A, and scored a peak hp. of 360, and 239ft.lbs of torque.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8123/0818080001dw2.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2002/0818080002xj7.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1124/0818080003gl1.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6673/0818080004tg1.jpg

iyiymiş :D

[kwanc]

hakkaten iyimiş

[senna]

neden sohc kullandıklarına dair açıklama varmı?

[B.Aktepe]

http://www.syntectopshopchallenge.com/superstreet-engine-articles/2305876267397868014.html

burda açıklıyor niye tercih ettiğini. copy-paste olmasın diye link verdim.

[B.Aktepe]

I'm not using a performance engine as the basis so I can show what we can do. Unlike the other companies who are using high-performance engines and just adding their little pixie dust to it to get power out of it. In essence, I'm using ol' grandma's engine. I'm going to make a crap-load of power out of grandma's engine, something most people just throw away! My peers are taking the easy way out. Those guys using boost? Shame on them! That's too easy.
bu güzel yazı ama ehehe :)

[senna]

teşekkürler Bilal:)

boost iyidir:D

[B.Aktepe]

ne demek semihcim:)

alın teri, atmosferik :P

[Mehmet Gazihan]

dün indin turbo arabadan bilal ustaaa..:D

bölemi döner insan yau..Bi jenerasyon senin izinden gidior :D

[senna]

ne demek semihcim:)

alın teri, atmosferik :P



tamam atmosferik topla alt kısmını kapak vs aşırı beslemeye göre olsun 12.5 cr üzerine turbo koyalım:D buna karşı çıkmıyorum:D

[B.Aktepe]

ne yaptın be mehmet:) jenerasyon filan ehehe:) biz daha kendimiz takipçiyiz.

ah be semih:) 12.5 sıkıştırma+turbo bu beni aşar yaf:) başka projelere inşallah.

[senna]

ne yaptın be mehmet:) jenerasyon filan ehehe:) biz daha kendimiz takipçiyiz.

ah be semih:) 12.5 sıkıştırma+turbo bu beni aşar yaf:) başka projelere inşallah.



boost candır:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U832Yttge0w

[B.Aktepe]

boost candır:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U832Yttge0w

boost canda bizimki(N/A) patlıcan mı :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19u0rza30mE

[senna]

boost canda bizimki(N/A) patlıcan mı :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19u0rza30mE

ahah:D

iyimiş, biraz daha çevirebilse süper olucak:)

[ST]

Olaylara bak ya püff :)