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Konu: BMW 6 silindir Stroker Yapımı (2.0 convert 2.5 2.8 3.0)

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    Thumbs up BMW 6 silindir Stroker Yapımı (2.0 convert 2.5 2.8 3.0)

    M20 --- -----E30 6 silindir
    M50-M52----- E36 6 silindir
    M54 ----------E46 6 silindir
    S50-S52 ------E36 M3
    S54 -----------E46 M3

    Çoğu arkadaşımızın merak edip ama cesaret edemediği stroker sistemi aslında bmw ciler için bir nimet sayılabilir. çünkü bmw fabrikası bu modelleri çıkartırken çok fazla bir değişikliğe gitmemiş o yüzden düzgün bir 320i alındıgında kolayca 3.30 veyahut 328 e çevrilebilir ve bu işlem düzgün yapıldığı takdirde hiç bir sakıncası olmamasıyla birlikte + getirisi bile bulunmaktadır hemde ufak bir dokunuşla. nasıl mı misal 28 e çevirmek için kapak değişirken bu kapağı hazır elimizdeyken port polish işlemi yaparak motorumuza giren havanın akışkanlığını hızlandırarak daha fazla hava çekmesini sağlayıp normal bir 328 den daha hızlı gitmesini sağlayabiliriz. parça listesine bakıcak olursak

    320i nin orjinal piston u 80mm dir. bunu maximum 84mm (84.50) ile değiştirmek en sağlıklısıdır.

    320i den kol krank piston kapak emme manifoldu gaz kelebeği sökülerek stroke elde edebilmek için takılabilcek parçaları sırayla yazalım


    2.5 dizel krank (84mm piston 25 kol ile 2.800cc hacim üretir)
    2.7 hartge krank 84mm piston 25 kol ile 2.700cc hacim üretir)
    2.7 eta krank
    2.8 orj krank m20 m50
    2.5 orj krank m20 m50
    3.0 krank s50
    3.0 krank m54
    bu krankların hepsi m20 m50 m52 m54 ve s50 de kullanılabilir.
    krank işimiz bittikten sonra rektefiyeci ile 325 kolları ile 84mm pistonlar montaj edilir ve motorumuzun altı bitmiş bulunmaktadır.

    KOL ve PİSTON seçimi
    328 veya 325 e çeviriyorsanız orjinalleri ne ise onları kullanın bmw nin orjinal kolları ve pistonları çok dayanıklıdır. rektefeyeci ve ustanızla bilgi paylaşımı içinde yapmanız daha mantıklıdır.

    sıra üst kapakta,

    m20 m50 m52 m54 blok lar faklı oldugundan dolayı hiçbirinin kapağı birbirine uymaz tek tek özet geçersek

    m20 320i ye 325 kapağı uyar
    m50-52 320i ye 325 ve 328 kapağı uyar
    m54 320i ye 325 328 330 kapağu uyar

    stroke işlemini yaparken bu kapağı yukardada belirttiğim gibi port polish egzantrik subap büyütme gibi işlemler yaparak alıcagınız gücü arttırmak sizin elinizde.

    kapak işlemi ve montajıda bittikten sonra aslında kısaca anlatmak gerekirse kapağı emme manifoldu gaz kelebeği yani parçacınızdan tam dolu şekilde alırsanız sizin yaranızıa olur

    DİP NOT:

    M50 320İ Yİ 2.8E ÇEVİRİRKEN 2.8 EMME MANİFOLDU YERİNE 2.5 EMME MANİFOLDU VE GAZ KELEBEĞİ KULLANILMASI GEREKİR ÇÜNKÜ YAPILAN TESTLERDE 2.5 İN EN VERİMLİ EMME MANİFOLDU OLDUĞU GÖRÜLMÜŞTÜR. ES GEÇİLMİCEK BİR KONU
    sıra ecu-elektrik-enjektör sisteminde

    pek fazla bir değişiklik istemez ama isteğe göre komple standalone beyin veya piggyback beyin yapılabilir. en basit çözüm ise CHIP yapmaktır. BOBİN ler de yeterlidir değişme istemez. orjinal buji kullanmakta fayda var. enjektörlere gelirsek orjinal enjektörleri bana göre yetiyo ancak regilatör ve 2.8 in orjinal enjektörlerini takarsak faydalı olur

    hazır 2.8 e çevirmişken bir ufakta headers takmakta yarar var


    ben fazla derinlere girmeden yani modifye işine girmeden stock şekilde 150hp bir arabanın motor yapılırken 210 220hp lere nası çıkabilceğini belirttim.

    bunların hepsi tek bir blokta çeşitli kollar denenerek takılmış ve yürütülmüş parçalardır.

    2.8krank ile 3000cc hacim alabilirsiniz misal kol uzunluk farkı ve orjinali 84mm olan pistonu 86mm ye büyüterek ama konumuz orjinal stroke sistemi... yoksa kafanız karışır.
    2.8 için alınmış fiyat listesi

    Alıntı oZaFaCaN Nickli Üyeden Alıntı Mesajı göster
    Arkadaşlar Merhaaba hararetten dolayı aracım sıbop yaktı pıstonlarda da sorun var sımdı motor sokuldugu ıcın aklımda daha onceden bulunan bu stroker olayı var, ustam yaparız cok kolay dıyor hazır sokulmusken.
    assagıdakı gıbı de fıyat cıkardı, onerı ve goruslerınızı alabılırmıyım?

    84mm piston -700TL
    takım conta oem 400tl
    Ana ve Kol Yatak - 180
    Piston kolu 328 -300
    328 Grank - 700
    rektefiye -600
    2.5 veya 2.8 dolu kapak 1200 ile 1500tl arası
    2.5 emme manifoldu ve gaz kelebeği 500

    Bide bunlara ek olarak işçilik var.


    unuttuklarımı hatırladıkça eklerim. bilgili abilerim kardeşlerim yanlış yazdıgım yerler varsa düzeltirse sevinirim.
    ///M
    PPR Motorsport & Dr. Ecu

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    Eray abi bende bazı bilgiler ekliyeyim,

    The M20 is an inline-6 piston engine by BMW.

    Initially designated M60, the 12-valve, belt driven SOHC design was introduced in the 1977 BMW 520/6 and 320/6 as an entirely new design. With displacements ranging from 2.0 to 2.7 liters, it was the "little brother" to the larger BMW M30 engine. It had 91 mm (3.6 in) bore-spacing instead of 100 mm (3.9 in) of the M30. It was intended to replace the larger displacement 4-cylinder motors and was born out of BMW's conviction that a small six had more development potential than a large four (i.e. 2 liters+)

    Powering the E21 and E30 3-Series, as well as E12, E28 and E34 5 Series cars, it was produced for nearly two decades, with the last examples powering the E30 325i touring built until April 1993. By that time, the newer twin-cam M50 engines with 4 valves per cylinder had already been used in the E36 and E34 for a couple of years.

    Three different head castings were used over the engine's production run. The earliest was #1264200 aka the "200". These were used in all e21 320/6 and 323i and e12 520/6 engines and later in the e28 and e30 eta engines (eta denoting the 'efficiency' version of the engine, with a lower engine redline amongst other focused differences aimed at increasing fuel economy). The next version was #1277731 aka the "731". This head was the same as the 200 but featured larger intake ports. The final version was #1705885 or "885" introduced in the 325i. Ports were further enlarged, valves were larger and the combustion chamber was redesigned to improve flow and thermodynamic efficiency.

    As the BMW M21, it became a diesel engine that was also available with a turbocharger.
    Contents
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    1 Overview
    2 M20B20
    3 M20B23
    4 M20B25
    5 M20B27
    6 M20 Tuning and Modification
    6.1 Aftermarket tuners
    6.2 Increasing displacement
    6.3 Eta-based 2.7
    6.4 Super Eta-based
    6.5 325i based
    6.6 Regular 2.7 Eta based
    6.7 2.8, 2.9, 3.0 and 3.15
    6.8 2.8
    6.9 2.9
    6.10 3.0
    6.11 3.15/3.2
    6.12 Miscellaneous Performance upgrades
    7 See also
    8 External links

    [edit] Overview
    Models Engine Displacement Power Torque Redline Year
    M20B20 2.0 L (1990 cc/121 in³) 92 kW (123 hp) @ 5800 165 N·m (121 ft·lbf) @ 4000 1981
    92 kW (123 hp) @ 5800 170 N·m (125 ft·lbf) @ 4000 1981
    95 kW (129 hp) @ 6000 174 N·m (128 ft·lbf) @ 4000 6200 1985
    95 kW (129 hp) @ 6000 164 N·m (120 ft·lbf) @ 4300 6200 1986
    M20B23 2.3 L (2316 cc/141 in³) 102 kW (143 hp) @ 5300 205 N·m (151 ft·lbf) @ 4000 6500 1982
    110 kW (139-150 hp) @ 6000 205 N·m (151 ft·lbf) @ 4000 6500 1983
    M20B25 2.5 L (2494 cc/152 in³) 126 kW (169 hp) @ 5800 226 N·m (166 ft·lbf) @ 4000 6700 1985
    120 kW (161 hp) @ 5800 215 N·m (158 ft·lbf) @ 4000 6700 1985
    125 kW (169 hp) @ 5800 222 N·m (163 ft·lbf) @ 4300 6700 1987
    M20B27 2.7 L (2693 cc/164 in³) 92 kW (121 hp) @ 4250 240 N·m (177 ft·lbf) @ 3250 4800 1983
    95 kW (127 hp) @ 4250 240 N·m (177 ft·lbf) @ 3250 4800 1986
    90 kW (120 hp) @ 4250 230 N·m (169 ft·lbf) @ 3250 4800 1985
    95 kW (127 hp) @ 4800 230 N·m (169 ft·lbf) @ 3200 5200 1987
    [edit] M20B20

    The M20B20 is a 2.0 L M20 engine. Entering production in March 1977 in the E12 520 and later in the E21 320/6, the engine had a bore of 80 mm (3.1 in) and a stroke of 66 mm (2.6 in). Fueling was handled by a Solex four-barrel carburetor. These early versions all used the "200" head. When the E30 debuted in 1982, the 2.0 was fitted with Bosch L-Jetronic fuel injection and the revised "731" cylinder head featuring larger intake ports. In 1984, the 2.0 was again revised with the addition of Bosch Motronic engine management and a catalytic converter. Later models also received larger valves. The 2.0 has the distinction of having the longest production run in the M20 series with the last ones rolling off the line in early 1993.

    Applications:

    1977–1981 E12 520/6
    1979–1983 E21 320/6
    1982–1984 E28 520
    1982–1988 E28 520i
    1983–1992 E30 320i
    1988–1990 E34 520i

    [edit] M20B23

    This motor was only used in 3-series models. The 323i began as an E21 model in 1977 and was phased out as the E30 models came into production. It initially used the same head and block as the carbureted 2.0 liter but used a longer 76.8 mm (3.0 in) stroke crank. It also featured Bosch K-Jetronic Injection. So equipped the E21 323i produced 143 hp (107 kW). The E30 version featured the revised "731" head with larger intake ports and used L-Jetronic instead of K-Jet. Early E30 323s made 139 hp (104 kW) but later versions got updated cams and power rose to 150 hp (110 kW). The early E30 323I, had more torque and was quicker. The 2.3 liter motor was superseded by the more powerful 2.5 in 1985.

    Applications:

    1977–1982 E21 323i
    1982–1985 E30 323i

    [edit] M20B25

    The German version of the M20B25 produced 170 hp (130 kW) with a catalytic converter and 171 hp (128 kW) without. It featured the newly designed "885" head featuring an open, higher-volume combustion chamber design. The new engine had an 84 mm (3.3 in) bore, and 75 mm (3 in) stroke. The redesigned pistons and combustion chambers made better power, resisted detonation better and had higher thermodynamic efficiency. It was equipped with Bosch Motronic 1.1/1.3 Adaptive fuel injection. The new 12 valve engineering gave M20B25 the name 'verschieden', meaning 'different' in German. The engine is often referred to as 'the differing one' due to the anomalous valve system. With a minor modification that adjusts the idle speed of a cold engine, the 325i fulfills Euro 2 emission requirements in Germany, resulting in a lower tax compared to Euro 1 (as of 2005).

    Applications:

    1986–1994 E30 3 Series
    1989–1990 E34 5 Series
    1988–1991 E30 Z1

    [edit] M20B27

    The 2.7 L M20B27 was designed for efficiency (thus the e for the Greek letter eta in 325e). It had an 84 mm (3.3 in) bore and a longer 81 mm (3.2 in) stroke for a total displacement of 2693 cc. The eta engine used the same "200" head casting as the carbureted 2.0 liter and K-jetronic 2.3 as featured in the E21 but only utilizes four camshaft bearings for reduced internal friction. The heads still have seven journals cast into them though and can be drilled to oil a seven bearing cam.

    Output was 122 hp (91 kW) at 4250 rpm for all models produced through model year 1987 and 127 hp (95 kW) at 4800 rpm for the final year of production in 1988. Peak torque is 170 ft·lbf (230 N·m) at about 3250 rpm for all years of the eta. BMW built this engine with fuel economy and low-rev drivability as the top priority. In production it was coupled to a 2.93:1 differential for the E28 5 series and E30 3 series models starting model year 1986. The earlier 325e used a 2.79:1 ratio. The tall final drive gearing was required to keep the engine in its best operating range at various road speeds. These features did achieve exceptional efficiency, but at the expense of the sparkling performance typically associated with the marque.

    All eta engines used Bosch Motronic engine management systems that were calibrated for maximum fuel economy. The result were very conservative spark advance and fuel delivery curves. In addition, the Motronic had a built-in rev limiter that engaged at about 4750 rpm. While this was hardly sporting, due to the very low overlap and short duration of the cam and the long, narrow intake tubing, the motor would not have made much power over 5,000 rpm anyway. The low redline was an added safety margin to compensate for the four bearing cam and soft valve springs.

    In cars produced from September 1987, the eta engine got a substantial refresh from the factory. This included the more recent Bosch Motronic version 1.1/1.3 with adaptive idle control and revised circuitry, the "885" head casting with the larger valves, ports and revised combustion chambers; new pistons to fit the 2.7 L stroke with the 2.5 L head; a special one year only intake manifold with even narrower runners that opened up at the flanges to match the larger ports of the new head; a dual exhaust system; a special eta-tuned 7-bearing cam; and a 5300 rpm rev limit. A new 6000 rpm tachometer was also used.

    Applications:

    1982–1987 E30 325/325e/325es
    1982–1987 E28 525e (or 528e in the US)

    [edit] M20 Tuning and Modification

    Options vary according to which version of the engine is used as a base. The primary limiting factor in these engines is the 2-valve head design which is good for what it is but is easily bested by later 4-valve designs as found in the M50-series in terms of air-flow potential. All versions of the cylinder head can benefit from flow porting and larger valves and even the "200" can have its ports and chambers opened up to the same dimensions as the "885". All versions can benefit from more aggressive cams such as those from Alpina, Schrick or any other reputable manufacturer. For street use, the practical upper limit of cam duration is 284 intake and 284 exhaust. Any more duration and idle quality and driveability start to deteriorate noticeably, particularly with the stock induction, fueling and ignition systems. In all cases, the fuel/ignition system should be revised accordingly to deal with the extra airflow.

    Exhaust upgrades also produce good results from the use of tubular exhaust manifolds (headers) and freer flowing exhausts in general. It must be noted that with the possible exception of the muffler, the original BMW exhaust system from the 325i already flows quite well. Eta exhausts and 320 exhausts(except for late production examples) are more restrictive.

    Motronic cars can benefit from high performance chips that remap fuel and spark maps to run on higher-octane fuel. Manufacturers include E.A.T, Conforti as well as many others. Chip selection should be based on the maker's reputation and feedback from current users. K-Jet cars can accommodate flow upgrades and displacement boosts with relative ease and usually require only basic mixture and fuel pressure adjustments for street cars. K-jet does not tolerate radical cams though since it needs a continuous vacuum to actuate the air-flow plate correctly. L-jet cars are more limited since they cannot be chipped and adjustments to fuel pressure and to the air-flow sensor need to be done with extreme care to ensure good results. Simply boosting fuel pressure or adjusting the AFM spring tension without checking the resultant change in mixture can lead to more problems than it solves.

    Various intake manifolds were used on injected cars. K-jet cars can only use the original intake since the others do not accommodate mechanical injectors. The intakes on all other models are interchangeable with the best one being from the 325i owing to the larger throttle body, wider tube diameter and shorter overall length for better flow and more power at higher revs. Eta cars up to September 1987 using the "200" head should get the ports opened up to match the wider tubes of the 325i manifold while cars using the 731 head (E30 320i and 323i) require no such modification.

    Carbureted 320s have a proprietary manifold and the only induction option on an otherwise stock engine would be porting and/or a carb upgrade. The manifold can also be deleted outright in favor of a custom triple side-draft setup but this would only yield satisfactory results when combined with a cam and some porting.
    [edit] Aftermarket tuners

    Alpina and Hartge build higher powered M20s based on stock engines. Their usual approach was to gas-flow the heads, install larger valves, higher compression pistons, more aggressive cams, headers, custom exhaust systems and then tune everything accordingly. Using this approach, Alpina got 170 hp (127 kW) from the 2.3, 190 hp (142 kW) from the 2.5 and 210 from their 2.7 (based on the 325i engine but with the longer stroke modified M21 Turbo-diesel crank). Hartge's results were similar while using similar approaches.
    [edit] Increasing displacement

    Owners of 2.0 and 2.3 liter cars would do well to replace their engine blocks outright in favor of a 325i/Eta block with its larger bore. These blocks can easily be adapted to accommodate the ancillaries from the smaller engines with little or no modification depending on the model they are to be installed in. E21 owners not wishing to upgrade their injection systems for their strokers may still follow the guidelines below but must re-use and re-tune their existing carb or K-Jet systems and their necessary hardware. Furthermore, cars originally using a distributor that base an engine upgrade on a Motronic block will have to re-use all the parts relative to the distributor drive since these are absent on the Motronic block. HOWEVER, note that the block in the AWD 325iX is a DESIGN unique to the iX with a completely different lubrication system and is not interchangeable with the others without a much more complex adaptation.
    [edit] Eta-based 2.7

    Generally, where strokers are concerned the smallest and easiest to build are 2.7 Eta-based. The cast Eta crank, contrary to popular myth, is strong and is proven to over 7500 rpm. Engine builders like Jim Rowe of Metric Mechanic routinely use the Eta crank in their stroker builds. The forged crank from an M21 turbo-diesel with the same stroke as the Eta can also be used but it is heavier and unnecessary for moderate-rpm street applications.
    [edit] Super Eta-based

    The easiest is to start with a September 1987 onward Super Eta and installing a 325i cam and springs, a complete 325i intake manifold with injectors (because 2.5 run on 12 volts,2.7 run on 5 volts) and throttle and plugging in the 325i engine control unit. Depending on which cam, chip and intake is used, this combination can make 180-200 hp with the stock 8.5:1 compression ratio and will rev to 6800 rpm.
    [edit] 325i based

    Starting with a regular M20B25, acquire an Eta crank and use Super Eta pistons and rods or custom pistons with the 325i rods. A crankshaft from the M21 diesel engine may also be used as it is dimensionally equivalent to the ETA crankshaft; it is also forged, where the ETA crankshaft is cast. Eta, 320 and 323 rods are all 130 mm (5.1 in) long while 325i rods are 135 mm (5.3 in). Regular Eta pistons WILL NOT WORK OPTIMALLY because they are not matched to the "885" head. Results are the same as for the Super Eta and will be better if custom-made higher compression pistons are used.
    [edit] Regular 2.7 Eta based

    This is one option that many have discredited over the years but has been proven to work quite well. Simply find a 2.7L ETA engine and swap on the complete head off of a 325i. This is all that is needed for the engine. The result is 8.3:1 compression which is on the low end for a NA motor but is perfect for a turbo car. In fact, cars with this setup have made over 400 rwhp with the stock ETA bottom end.

    If you are starting with a eta equipped car, this will require an upgrade to Motronic 1.1/1.3 from a 325i in order to get the desired revs and fuel/spark mapping. This will require the use of the entire engine harness, ECM, front crank pulley with crank sensor and bracket, all the sensors (including AFM), injectors (Etas built before September 1987 with the older Motronic system use low-impedance injectors, wereas the 325i computer must use high-impedance injectors) , also 325i plug wires and the EVAP purge solenoid. An instrument cluster with the 7000 rpm tachometer and a small wiring modification to make the tach work will also be necessary. Owners of Etas made before December 1986 will need to widen the hole where the engine wiring harness goes into the car. Owners of older Etas that have a rectangular plug joining the engine harness to the fuse box instead of a round one will have to change to the later model fuse box or splice all the wires and make a custom connection.
    [edit] 2.8, 2.9, 3.0 and 3.15

    All of these options will require custom pistons except for the 2.8 which uses regular 325i pistons with eta rods. Mild build may be able to run factory fuel injection system with larger injectors, but for high power builds some sort of computer upgrade is required. With the exception of the 2.8, all should use 135 mm (5.3 in) rods sourced from a 325i. A much better option is to use the lighter weight rods from M52B28, S52B32 or M54B30 (these are the same part number) without any additional modification. Aftermarket rods are also available but not necessary for naturally aspirated builds. The stock rods have been proven over 7500 rpms and hundreds of horsepower.

    Non-Eta-based strokers use the forged crankshafts from an M52, S50US, S52US, or M54 engines. These cranks all fit neatly into the M20 block with little modification. Block clearance should be checked and adjusted accordingly especially if using E30 325i rods. The installation of a spacer on the front of the crankshaft is needed to accommodate the front crank seal on the M20 and a different front crank bolt must be used. Sometimes a modified intermediate shaft is used where block clearance issues arise. All of these extra parts should come with any stroker kit sold by a reputable vendor.

    Performance will vary depending on what other mods, if any, are made (cams, porting, exhausts etc.)and the quality of tuning.
    [edit] 2.8

    Option 1: Eta-based (81mm stroke). Same as 2.7 options above except that the block gets bored out to 86 mm (3.4 in) and custom pistons are used

    Option 2: m52 84mm crank with 325i pistons and ETA rods. This is the only stroker other than the 2.7 to use all stock parts. Using the m52 crank, 130 mm (5.1 in) ETA rods and 325i pistons results in the same compression height as a stock 325i, plus the increased displacement results in 9.7:1 compression ratio. Some have commented that this is a less than ideal rod stroke ratio of 1.54, but in fact the s52 is even worse at 1.51.
    [edit] 2.9

    Same as 2.8 Option 2 but block bored to 86 mm (3.4 in) for 2.9 liters of displacement.
    [edit] 3.0

    Option 1: Block bored to 86mm, 85.8 mm (3.4 in) S50B30US crank used for 3.0 liters of displacement.

    Option 2: Bore unchanged (84mm), Install 89.6 mm (3.5 in) crank from S52US or M54B30 for 3.0 liters.
    [edit] 3.15/3.2

    In this option, the block is bored to 86 mm (3.4 in) and the 89.6 mm (3.5 in) crank is used for 3.15 liters. It has been reported that engine-builders have bored out as far as 86.4 for an even 3.2 liters but this is beyond the generally accepted design limitations of the M20 block.
    [edit] Miscellaneous Performance upgrades

    -Extrude hone intake: an abrasive clay-like material is fed through the manifold to eliminate imperfections deep inside. Costly and worthwhile only if building larger stroker.

    -P-Flow/Cold air intake: Will change induction sound to something more throaty but will accomplish little if anything at all on a stock motor since the stock intake is already well designed and located. A badly executed system will do more harm than good while a well-executed one will only yield slight results.

    -M30 AFM: Larger flap for more intake airflow. Consists in installing the electronic section of the M20 AFM onto the larger M30 AFM. Tricky to do and difficult to tune correctly. Don't bother unless building larger stroker. Results generally overstated.

    -MAF conversion: replaces AFM with hot-wire style MAF on Motronic cars. Needs software to run correctly. Consider only on larger engines.

    -M30 injectors: Higher flow injectors generally help prevent mixture from leaning out at higher revs on modified engines. Good easy mod just be sure to be using correct impedance injector for given injection system. As a rule, E34 535i injectors will work with Motronic 1.1/1.3 systems on M20s. Any others should be checked by consulting with Bosch technical help.

    -ITBs: Expensive and require extensive custom fabrication and standalone injection system. Not worthwhile unless building a race engine.

    -Forced induction: By far the most effective means of increasing power output, with tremendous potential available for far less than the cost of a NA stroker engine. A stock engine with head studs will reliably support over 20 psi (1.4 bar) with intercooling, a good tune and a sufficiently large turbine. Standalone injection should be considered mandatory for boost pressures over 1 bar. The bottom ends are very robust and will be the last parts to sustain damage if detonation occurs. The head gasket will fail first, which can crack the cylinder head if the engine is run for very long in that condition. They tolerate a considerable amount of detonation at lower boost pressures but become more sensitive as boost increases. The driver must listen carefully to the engine to avoid damage if detonation occurs. Aftermarket MLS head gaskets resist detonation slightly better which can result in damage to the piston ring lands in the event of severe, sustained detonation. Even slight detonation is audible with a full exhaust system while moderate detonation can usually be heard over an "open dump" wastegate.

    wikipedia dan alıntıdır

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M50
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M52
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M54
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    kemalin koyduğu yazıdada ince detaylarına göre (mm) hangi krank kol ve piston birleşirse kaç cc ortaya çıkar onlar yazmakta ama konumuz ştandartlar oldugu için kafanız karışmasın
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    Eray abi krank uyumluluğunda m20 blok a

    bütün m20 krankları, m50, m52, m54 ve s50 kranklarının hepsi uyuyor dimi

    mesela s50b30-32 e36 m3 krankları uyuyormu ?

    s54b32 e46 m3 krankı uymuyor anladığım kadarıyla
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    işin aslı s54 te uyuyoda ben yazmadım çok pahalı oldugu için tutulmuyo hemde takan görmedim ben mantık olarak cevap verdim s50 m20 ye uyuyo s54 te s50 ye uyuyo doğal olarak uyar
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    bmw toplayacaklar için harika paylaşım

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    tabiki her krank öle cuk die olmuyo bazılarının kasnak kısmı yağ pompası çeviricisi balans ağırlıkları vs. işlem görmesi gerekmektedir. artı krankların kolların bağlandığı yerlerdeki big endleri farklı olduğu için aldığınız kranka göre kol bulmanız gerekli bunun içinde bazen peugeot bazen opel bazen şahin kolu gerekmekte yatak olarak dizellerde kızıl yatak tabir edilen yataklar kullanılır bunlar orj olanlarına göre daha sağlamdır.

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    Mengücüm bu konuda asıl anlatmak istediğim en basit şekilde yani ugrasmadan nasıl hacim elde edilir yani hardtune degil oyüzden yazdıgım kranklar arası degişimlerde gerekli degil yazdıkların yoksa kafaları karışır insanların. Diğer konu kol piston seçimide aynı şekilde belirttim yazımın içinde
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    faydalı bır konu olmus cok tesekkur ederım, ben bu ara dusunuyorum ısın malıyetını cıkarmaya calısıyorum, aşırı zorlamdan 28 cc olabılmesı gayet guzel dedıgınız gıbı bı nımet aslında, bu krank ve pistonları bulmak sıkıntı oluyormu? cıkmacılara gıdınce utanmasalar parcalar kuyumculardakı hassas tartılarla tartıp fıatlandırcaklar o derece doymuslar :=)
    Bakım zamanı gidip de parçacıya "abi ordan 4 tane bosch buji versene" demeye utanırım, Allah düşmanımın başına vermesin

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    2.7 Eta krank en verimsiz kranktir bunu belirtmek isterim. Uzun omur acisindan artisi olan fakat güç olarak cok fazla getirisi olmayan bir kranktir.
    ///Mürüvvette endaze olmaz.

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    Kral Benim hatırladığım m50 320i kapağınlada devam edebiliyordun ama değilmi, hacim 2800cc olsada? Hatta sıkıştırma daha bir güzel oluyordu, ama tabiki hava akışkanlığı portlar yüzünden az kalıyordu.
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    m20 3200cc'e kadar çıkabiliyor stroke ile ama Eray YÜMSEL'in bir lafı vardır; Amerika'yı yeniden keşfetmeye gerek yok. : ) Hep "keşke" demişimdir; şu M20'ye farklı bir üst kapak takılabilseydi. Çift egzantrik olabilseydi... : )

    Aslında "tds krank - piston - kol" 3'lüsüne m20'nin atmosferik stage 1'i falan diyebiliriz bir nevi, öyle değil mi?
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    abi konu efsane olmuş önce yorum ypıp daha sonra okuma faslına geçiyorum

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    m20ye s50 kranki takinca hacim 3litreden az oluyor herhalde guvenli bore icin 84mm yazilmis...
    The S50B30 has a bore of 86 mm and a stroke of 85.8 mm
    Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want.

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    alınık tdskrank,3.25 gaz kelebeği,3.25 emme manifoldu

    bizim orjinal m50 kapağa port polısh yaptırsak tarkan abinin dediği gibi 2.8 iken araba 2000cc kapak taksak sıkıntı yaratırmı
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    ellerınız dert gormesın konu ıcın...

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    eray çok yerinde bir konu olmuş bu siteye böle bir konu lazımdı ellerin dert görmesin
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    japonlar 2 tur atıp soğutmak için kenara çekilirken bmw ler tapagaz dönüyor

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    Alıntı TaGo Nickli Üyeden Alıntı Mesajı göster
    Kral Benim hatırladığım m50 320i kapağınlada devam edebiliyordun ama değilmi, hacim 2800cc olsada? Hatta sıkıştırma daha bir güzel oluyordu, ama tabiki hava akışkanlığı portlar yüzünden az kalıyordu.
    yok hacı m50 de 84mm piston koydugunda ne yazıkki 320 kapak olmuyo 25 yada 28 kapakla değiştirmek gerekli.
    Alıntı oZaFaCaN Nickli Üyeden Alıntı Mesajı göster
    faydalı bır konu olmus cok tesekkur ederım, ben bu ara dusunuyorum ısın malıyetını cıkarmaya calısıyorum, aşırı zorlamdan 28 cc olabılmesı gayet guzel dedıgınız gıbı bı nımet aslında, bu krank ve pistonları bulmak sıkıntı oluyormu? cıkmacılara gıdınce utanmasalar parcalar kuyumculardakı hassas tartılarla tartıp fıatlandırcaklar o derece doymuslar :=)
    bu parçaları biraz tecrübe sahibi olduktan sonra uyguna bulabilirsiniz yada bulmak isteyen bana pm atar ben en uygun fiyata bulurum
    Alıntı ReßeL Nickli Üyeden Alıntı Mesajı göster
    2.7 Eta krank en verimsiz kranktir bunu belirtmek isterim. Uzun omur acisindan artisi olan fakat güç olarak cok fazla getirisi olmayan bir kranktir.
    tam tersi moruk 2.7eta aslında kötü değil USA da üretilen 120hplik eta motorunu söküp sadece 25 kapak takarak 180hp güçler bile elde edenler var
    Alıntı Kakus Nickli Üyeden Alıntı Mesajı göster
    m20 3200cc'e kadar çıkabiliyor stroke ile ama Eray YÜMSEL'in bir lafı vardır; Amerika'yı yeniden keşfetmeye gerek yok. : ) Hep "keşke" demişimdir; şu M20'ye farklı bir üst kapak takılabilseydi. Çift egzantrik olabilseydi... : )

    Aslında "tds krank - piston - kol" 3'lüsüne m20'nin atmosferik stage 1'i falan diyebiliriz bir nevi, öyle değil mi?
    güzel nokta STAGE 1 tabiri uymuş
    Alıntı tool Nickli Üyeden Alıntı Mesajı göster
    m20ye s50 kranki takinca hacim 3litreden az oluyor herhalde guvenli bore icin 84mm yazilmis...
    aynen amcacım çünkü m3 86mm pistonlu
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    alınık tdskrank,3.25 gaz kelebeği,3.25 emme manifoldu

    bizim orjinal m50 kapağa port polısh yaptırsak tarkan abinin dediği gibi 2.8 iken araba 2000cc kapak taksak sıkıntı yaratırmı
    yaratır tago yada belirttim 84mm piston taktıgınızda kapağı değiştirmeniz gerekli m20 de geçerli değil
    ///M
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    Kankam 2800cc yapılıp 2000 kapak kullanan araç Türkiyede bile var. Hatta turbolandı bile bu şeklinle hatırla... Şizofrenin araba. Da-Motorsport Mert yaptı, daha ayrıntılı bilgiyi o verir.

    2800cc nin kapağı ama tabiki 2000 bloğun üzerine takılmaz direkt subaplar gömlek kenarından bile çıkamıyor.
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